Jeff Jones of Oaksterdam University discusses how his fathers passing led him to a life of activism. Jeff discusses how he found the medical utility in cannabis and didn’t want another person to go through what his dad went through. He talks about his initial dispensary in Oakland and how that led him to the US Supreme Court. His loss in the high court was the industry’s gain in the long run and Jeff explains that he knew that the loss was a win in real time. For more Jones conversation check out Ep. 113 which features Jeff’s wife Dale Sky Jones. But first, we've got a mini-interview with David Brown of Lift who's running the Lift Expo where Seth will be moderating a panel.